Kevin Roberts, Kellyanne Conway, Ben Rhodes and I battled it out a few weeks ago on a stage in Toronto.
This was for a Munk Debate on the motion: “Be it resolved, this is America’s Golden Age.” It might not surprise you that I was arguing the negative, alongside Rhodes, a former senior adviser to Barack Obama and the co-host of “Pod Save the World.” Roberts and Conway were on the other side. Roberts is the president of the Heritage Foundation and an architect of Project 2025. Conway was Donald Trump’s senior counselor in his first term.
The Munk Debates organization has kindly let us share the audio of that debate with you.
If you haven’t heard of the Munk Debates, you should really check it out. It’s a Canadian nonprofit that, for more than 15 years, has been hosting discussions on contentious, thought-provoking topics. If you go to its site and become a supporter, you can watch the entire video archive. A classic I recommend: “Be it resolved, religion is a force for good in the world” with Tony Blair debating Christopher Hitchens.
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President Trump’s actions against transgender Americans have been stunningly wide-ranging. They’ve also been popular.
Trump has sought new restrictions on trans people in sports, schools, the military, prisons and medical care, and in government documentation. And a recent poll found that a majority of Americans approve of how Mr. Trump is handling trans issues — far above how he is handling his presidency generally. On trans-related issues, Americans’ opinions have moved right since 2022. What led the trans-rights movement to suffer not just a major electoral loss, but also a sweeping loss of public support?
Sarah McBride is a freshman congresswoman from Delaware, where she was previously a state senator. And she is the first openly transgender member of Congress. In our conversation, Representative McBride reckons with the trans rights movement’s shortcomings, what liberalism should look like in a profoundly illiberal time and how to win hearts and minds through a politics of “grace.” It’s the most stirring defense of the practice of politics — with all its compromises and disappointments and frustrations — I’ve heard in some time.
This episode contains strong language.
Book Recommendations:
Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin
These Truths by Jill Lepore
The Final Days by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein
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En chronique, Helen Faradji se demande si on peut encore se divertir sans une dimension politique et Marie-Élaine Guay revient sur le traitement médiatique des manifestations qui secouent la Californie ainsi que l’arraisonnement du Madleen vers Gaza.
On découvre aussi le nouveau # de Spirale sur le naturalisme et en entrevue, Simon Tremblay-Pepin pour son essai Intrigues sur le monde souvent sordide des relations publiques.
NB: La photo utilisée relate le drame de Ludlow dont il est question dans l'entrevue avec Simon Tremblay-Pepin.
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